Q/A: Can you use 0W-20 oil in your Acura or Honda? Show Former Sponsor Thread Starter iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pac Northwest Posts: 6,944 Q/A: Can you use 0W-20 oil in your Acura or Honda? Yes! In some engines, when used in milder conditions, you can take advantage of the fuel savings and added horsepower of 0-20W oil in accordance with these official Honda-published diagrams available at the following link. http://www.heeltoeauto.com/pitboard/?p=803 You're welcome in advance
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Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 31 Posts: 1,785 Never seen 0w-20 for sale before. I've used 0w-30 but never 0w-20. Last edited by SpiderX1016; 12-18-2010 at 10:35 PM. Former Sponsor Thread Starter iTrader: (1)
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Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 1,134 I've been running amsoil 0w-20 since I got mine. Costs a little more but in the long run its cheaper with the extended oil change intervals as well. Good Read Marcus Chapter Leader (Central New Jersey) iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UA7 Heaven Posts: 3,155 i didnt even know there was a 0w oil...lol...learn something new everyday i guess Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 I would run it in the extreme cold climates. But in California I run only 5w-30 and I would have no problems doing a 10w-40 either. FWIW, I ran 0w-20 in mine for a winter when I was in Flagstaff and Mindon. Short trips, cold weather is a great candidate for 0w-20. If you drive easy and you do mostly short trips where the oil never gets up to full temp (less than 20 minutes) it will work great. This oil starts off thinner when cold that the other oils so it would be the same as starting the engine in a warmer environment with the thicker oils. The problem occurs with the very low HTHS and hard usage. This oil will not protect as well when pushed hard. HTHS is extremely important, one of the most important specs of an oil as far as wear is concerned. If you look at many manufacturers who make a normal performance version and a high performance version of the same engine, the higher performance version even though it uses the same bottom end and clearances specs a heavier oil. Heavier oils usually have a higher HTHS. The other issue is hot idle oil pressure. One of the builders on here said that the J when new has pretty low oil pressure on a 20wt. I'm going to read the article now. Just read it, they're retarded for saying "don't use 5w-20 in a 0w-20 engine". It will hurt nothing whatsoever. I hate it when they use the scare tactics for CAFE. Former Sponsor Thread Starter iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pac Northwest Posts: 6,944 I think the use of the car has to come into play here. Since I beat the piss out of my car I tend to lean towards doing whatever Honda recommends on a 9000 rpm AP1 S2000 engine. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe I think the use of the car has to come into play here. Since I beat the piss out of my car I tend to lean towards doing whatever Honda recommends on a 9000 rpm AP1 S2000 engine. Agreed, useage has a huge part in the recommendation. Do they recommend a 0w-20 for the s2000? I've never looked but for some reason I keep thinking it was a 5w or 10w-30 but my memory is bad. The problem I have with OEM recommendations is the CAFE interference. The recommendation is not coming from the person who designed the engine. It starts there and gets watered down especially by CAFE. What you sometimes end up with is an oil that will meet the minimum wear requirements but not the best for your car. Off topic but I'll check the e-mail when I get home, I had to work today and my personal account is blocked here. Race Director
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 Quote: Originally Posted by MrHeeltoe Honda sells 0W-20. So does Mobil..although I can't find it in the 5 qt jugs... $6.67/qt at Wally World...same price as the M1 non-EP oils. Has anyone seen M1 0w20 in the 5 qt jug?? Last edited by nfnsquared; 12-19-2010 at 03:05 PM. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 One plus of the 0w-20 over the 5w-20 is the 0w requires a synthetic base oil to meet the 0w requirement. If you could find one with a decent HTHS rating, I would recommend it over a 5w-20 for a few reasons.
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Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 Quote: Originally Posted by I hate cars One plus of the 0w-20 over the 5w-20 is the 0w requires a synthetic base oil to meet the 0w requirement. If you could find one with a decent HTHS rating, I would recommend it over a 5w-20 for a few reasons. From the M1 spec sheet, the M1 0w20 HTHS rating is 2.6. Not outstanding...but not bad for 0w20?? For reference, 5w20 HTHS rating is 2.77 0w30 = 3.06 Wow, their 0w40 is 3.8, but I'd guess you'd expect that.... http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...l_Economy.aspx Last edited by nfnsquared; 12-19-2010 at 04:02 PM. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by nfnsquared That's very close to the minimum acceptable limit. Any lower and wear goes through the roof. It's either 2.4 or 2.6 for any internal combustion engine, I can't remember. Anything that says "advanced fuel economy" AFE will have an ultra low HTHS. The way they squeeze the extra mpg is by pumping loss reduction. The oil is actually designed to shear (low HTHS) in the bearings and ring packs. In essense, when it's put under load and pressure it thins out considerably. Even though it's a 20wt, it will behave like a 10w in the bearings and then thicken back up once the pressure is relieved. So when you need it the most, it caves in under pressure. What the engineers already know but the government overlooks is sure, you get that extra .5mpg when new. But if the engine wears out quicker, over the course of 200,000 miles which one do you think will have the better average mpg? The government standards only focus on new car sales, not what they're doing in 50, 100, and 200,000 miles. They hit the target mpg new and then forget about it. For comparison since these are the only ones I know off the top of my head, Redline 0w-20 has a 2.7HTHS which is average for the viscosity, nothing special. But.... it's 5w-20 has a 3.3HTHS which is super high for a 20wt. It's higher than many 30wts. This way you get the best of all worlds. It pumps and flows like any 20wt yet once in the bearings and rings, it protects like a good 30wt. The difference in a 2.7 vs 3.3 is something you could actually see over the life of the engine during teardown. The downside is mpg goes down by a percent or two. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by nfnsquared You beat me to it lol. I took too long typing that last post. Keep in mind, a 0w-40 is going to be thicker at startup than a 5w-20 in all but the most extreme cold climates. Even the 0w-30 will be thicker than a 5w-20 in my winters which rarely go below freezing. Redline 5w-30 is the other one I remember. It's 3.8 which is incredibly high for a 30. Mobil 0w-40 is considered one of their best oils. It performs very well in just about everything and it's a true synthetic. Race Director
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 Not to drift too far, but my next oil change will be my 14th change at a little over 105K (sometime between Christmas and New Years). All M1 5w20. Going to send a sample from this change to Blackstone (including TBN). I'm interested to see what the results are after 7 years and 105K.... Instructor
Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 184 Received 1 Like on 1 Post Quote: Originally Posted by nfnsquared Not to drift too far, but my next oil change will be my 14th change at a little over 105K (sometime between Christmas and New Years). All M1 5w20. Going to send a sample from this change to Blackstone (including TBN). I'm interested to see what the results are after 7 years and 105K.... I would be curious to see the results myself! Is the M1 5W20 a true synthetic oil? I'm using the 5W30 and I have heard this is not a true synthetic. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by nfnsquared Not to drift too far, but my next oil change will be my 14th change at a little over 105K (sometime between Christmas and New Years). All M1 5w20. Going to send a sample from this change to Blackstone (including TBN). I'm interested to see what the results are after 7 years and 105K.... It would be interesting but the problem is, those tests won't tell you anything about your engine wear, only how the oil is holding up. They will show if you have coolant in your oil which is a good thing. The wear metals mean absolutely nothing in those tests. They can come back very good and you could have a failure in progress. They can come back very bad and your engine could last 200,000 more miles. One thing is for sure, the UOAs vs teardowns on several of my builds could not have been more opposite. Three Wheelin'
Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,562 What i want to know is what the difference between "0w-20 ok" and "0w-20 Acceptable"! Instructor
Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 184 Received 1 Like on 1 Post In doing some reading it looks like M1 0W40 is one og their only true synthetic oils. Would this weight be good for the TL? Pro iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: KS Posts: 509 Likes: 0 I hate cars, what oil do you use? Moderator iTrader: (1)
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Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,562 I am thinking ill use this in my 01 Civic as its my DD and my work car. Drive about 500+ miles a week so it will be interesting to see what happens to my mileage. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by Comptechtl2367 I am thinking ill use this in my 01 Civic as its my DD and my work car. Drive about 500+ miles a week so it will be interesting to see what happens to my mileage. At operating temp, a 20wt is a 20wt. You won't see a measurable difference in mpg. The only place you might see a difference in mpg is if you do very short trips where the oil never hits full temp. The 0w-20 will be lighter on average than the 5w-20. You could probably do a 5w-30 and not see a measurable difference in the Civic if it sees only highway use. The advantage of the 0w is lost once the oil hits full temp and then you're stuck with the low HTHS for your freeway drive.. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by soon2b954 In doing some reading it looks like M1 0W40 is one og their only true synthetic oils. Would this weight be good for the TL? It would work fine. It wouldn't be my first choice in a Canadian winter but it shouldn't hurt. Quote: Originally Posted by ppypants I hate cars, what oil do you use? Redline 5w-30. Lots of moly, zddp, ultra high HTHS, ester base oil, etc. Three Wheelin'
Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,562 I do use the car on highway mostly but i drive to the gym every morning at 4:30am with mostly temps in the 0's so it would be good there but most likely worse for my highway driving. ill stick with Mobil 1 5w-20 Race Director
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 Quote: Originally Posted by soon2b954 In doing some reading it looks like M1 0W40 is one og their only true synthetic oils. Would this weight be good for the TL? Yeah, it's a very good oil and yes, it's a true synthetic. As discussed earlier, it has great protection at operating temperature (212 F) with a HTHS (high temp, high shear) rating of 3.8. I'm considering switching to this (from M1 5w20) on my next oil change for the added high temp protection as my engine approaches the high mileage mark(at approx 105,500 miles), but I wonder if the effect on fuel economy will be noticeable (operating temp viscosity of 13.5 vs 9.0)? I've seen posts on other forums where some folks have claimed a drop of up to 3 mpg after switching to M1 0w40. Others claim no change in mpg. Not sure what to believe.... Any comments/opinions on fuel economy effects of using this oil vice M1 5w20? Last edited by nfnsquared; 12-27-2010 at 12:34 PM. Instructor
Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 184 Received 1 Like on 1 Post Quote: Originally Posted by nfnsquared Yeah, it's a very good oil and yes, it's a true synthetic. As discussed earlier, it has great protection at operating temperature (212 F) with a HTHS (high temp, high shear) rating of 3.8. I'm considering switching to this (from M1 5w20) on my next oil change for the added high temp protection as my engine approaches the high mileage mark(at approx 105,500 miles), but I wonder if the effect on fuel economy will be noticeable (operating temp viscosity of 13.5 vs 9.0)? I've seen posts on other forums where some folks have claimed a drop of up to 3 mpg after switching to M1 0w40. Others claim no change in mpg. Not sure what to believe.... Any comments/opinions on fuel economy effects of using this oil vice M1 5w20? With our Canadian winters (and with the great advise from IHC, as always Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by nfnsquared Yeah, it's a very good oil and yes, it's a true synthetic. As discussed earlier, it has great protection at operating temperature (212 F) with a HTHS (high temp, high shear) rating of 3.8. I'm considering switching to this (from M1 5w20) on my next oil change for the added high temp protection as my engine approaches the high mileage mark(at approx 105,500 miles), but I wonder if the effect on fuel economy will be noticeable (operating temp viscosity of 13.5 vs 9.0)? I've seen posts on other forums where some folks have claimed a drop of up to 3 mpg after switching to M1 0w40. Others claim no change in mpg. Not sure what to believe.... Any comments/opinions on fuel economy effects of using this oil vice M1 5w20? Can't wait to see your results! Personally I think if you do a lot of short trips you're going to see a drop in mpg. If you do a lot of longer trips it will barely be measurable. The great thing is now we will have results instead of theories. I have to add this because I can't help myself lol but Redline 5w-30 also has a 3.8 HTHS so you could have better cold flow. But I still want to see how your experiment goes. Race Director
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 OK, since O'reilly is having a sale on M1 starting today ($4.99 qt), I guess I'll be the guinea pig for M1 0w40. Doing it today.... Moderator iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 86,306 Quote: Originally Posted by nfnsquared OK, since O'reilly is having a sale on M1 starting today ($4.99 qt), I guess I'll be the guinea pig for M1 0w40. Doing it today.... I'm running M1 0w30. Last edited by justnspace; 12-29-2010 at 03:29 PM. Race Director
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 0w40 is in the crankcase now. Interested to see what happens to the mpgs, if anything. Ran a sample on this change for the 5w20 with TBN and will run a sample on the 0w40 at the same interval (8150 miles) just to compare... More to come after the first tank... Advanced
Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stl Age: 46 Posts: 62 Likes: 0 Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts Quote: Originally Posted by soon2b954 In doing some reading it looks like M1 0W40 is one og their only true synthetic oils. Would this weight be good for the TL? I would say their EP line along with the AFE oils and the 0w40 are all probably full synthetic group 4 based on what they ask those oils to do the rest of their line not to sure about. I know their 5w30 EP worked wonders in five patrol cars last year and if it could survive that its good in my book. still cant take Redline though I run their 5w20 just because of its HTHS values cant beat it best of both worlds. Moderator iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 86,306 Just changed to M1 0w-40 last night. will report more. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by ray6712 I would say their EP line along with the AFE oils and the 0w40 are all probably full synthetic group 4 based on what they ask those oils to do the rest of their line not to sure about. I know their 5w30 EP worked wonders in five patrol cars last year and if it could survive that its good in my book. still cant take Redline though I run their 5w20 just because of its HTHS values cant beat it best of both worlds. I honestly don't know about the AFE oils but I would have to guess that they're not a true grpIV. They're designed the sheer by nature so I on one hand they need to flow well when cold which synthetics are better at but at the same time they're designed to sheer under load (when you want it to not sheer) in order to increase mileage which would seem more like a dino. Quote: Originally Posted by justnspace Just changed to M1 0w-40 last night. will report more. Can't wait to hear the results especially the cold start. I've run a 10w-30 that's on the thick side of the 10w which shouldn't be any thicker when cold with your 0w-40 so you have nothing to worry about. Moderator iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 86,306 I drove it a little today, 85 degrees outside. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by justnspace I drove it a little today, 85 degrees outside. I hate to say this but a 30wt ester oil will have the best chance of lessening valvetrain noise.... but the 0w-40 should help too and it's a great oil. What did you have in there before?
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Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 Quote: Originally Posted by justnspace I drove it a little today, 85 degrees outside. Got about 4500 on the M1 0w40 so far. Cold starts fine, can't tell any difference from the 5w20. Going to run it 10K and run a TBN on it. I really thought I'd see a hit on gas mileage, but I can't tell any difference. For the first couple of weeks I thought it did affect MPG, but I think that was just my ECU relearning after the battery was disconnected for the TB change and valve adjustment. I just ran 180 miles round trip at 31mpg tonight. I'm really considering using this oil from here on out, especially if TBN confirms 10K intervals. Also interested to see what the final viscosity is. O'reillys has it on sale again for $4.99 this month. Hard to beat for a quality oil and HTHS of 3.8... Moderator iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 86,306 Quote: Originally Posted by I hate cars I hate to say this but a 30wt ester oil will have the best chance of lessening valvetrain noise.... but the 0w-40 should help too and it's a great oil. What did you have in there before? Was using 0w-30. Like nfnsquared, I like the HTHS rate of 3.8% Moderator iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 86,306 I'm in for nfnsquared results on the final viscosity. Team Owner
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 20,172 Quote: Originally Posted by justnspace Was using 0w-30. Like nfnsquared, I like the HTHS rate of 3.8% I didn't know you were using an AFE oil. Glad you got that out of there. I'm pretty sure you won't see a mpg difference. One thing I noticed when I went with the 5w-30 (also an HTHS of 3.8) the ring seal seemed slightly better. Race Director
Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MAGA country Posts: 12,477 Quote: Originally Posted by justnspace I'm in for nfnsquared results on the final viscosity. Won't be until mid-late summer....currently at 5500 miles on the 0w40.... Last edited by nfnsquared; 04-14-2011 at 01:53 PM. What brand of oil does Acura use?Look for the API certification
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