Larger oil filter for 5.3 chevy

Q: What kind of oil does a 5.3 L Chevy take?

The 4.3-liter V6 engine on this years Silverado uses SAE 5W-30 viscosity grade motor oil. If your 2022 Silverado is powered by a 5.3-liter V8 engine, its important to use SAE 0W-20 viscosity grade motor oil.

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Is an oversized oil filter better?
What kind of oil does a 5.3 L Chevy take?
How many quarts of oil does 5.3 V8 take?
How many quarts does a 5.3 Vortec engine take?

This filter cartridge has a small outside diameter with a rather low filter element surface area (193 sqin), and features cardboard end caps that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals the rough metal backplate to the cardboard end cap and easily leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. If you have a noisy valve train at startup, this filter is likely the cause. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak. The backplate has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow.

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Theres lots of oil filter studies if you do a google search. all of them come to the same conclusions about fram.

the reason everyone who dosent know any better gets fram is because they have the best advertising. commercials for o-reily and autozone and they have big orange boxes to catch your attention. wix boxes are pretty much a cardboard box with wix stamped on the side. which box would your wife pick if she was comparing the two

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03-20-10 09:11 PM - Post#1883713

Does anyone know how to find a taller oil filter for the 2005 and later 5.3L engines? (truck)

It seems like the only thing GM changed on these AC Delco PF-48 filters is the thread size, now using a 22m x 1.5, instead of the 13/16-16, but I'm having no luck finding a 4.5" tall filter to replace these little 3.5" ones.

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03-21-10 06:59 AM - Post#1883812
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I ask for a 2002 tahoe 4wd when I don't have the wix number handy.

I will get the number for you later I don't have it handy.

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03-21-10 08:04 AM - Post#1883846
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Excellent ! That will be great. I know the filter for my 2002 GMC is the 13/16 thread, so doesn't fit the 22mm,,, I've spent hours researching Wix, Napa gold, and AC Delco, and so far haven't found it.

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03-21-10 02:57 PM - Post#1884087
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the protec 166 is taller. would have to look up cross reference.

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03-21-10 10:25 PM - Post#1884416
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The small filter is more than adequate for modern engines, curious why you want to go bigger?

The wix number for the tall filter is 51522. Napa gold 1522. They are the same filter. These will not fit your engine as you have noticed. I don't think a larger one is available for the newer 5.3's.

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03-22-10 07:58 AM - Post#1884560
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Well, that is what I've found too. I've always used either the 51522 Wix or 1522 Napa Gold on my 2002, which as you say, will not fit the 2005 and later 5.3L.

Yes, I suppose the small filter is "adequate." But, from an engineering perspective, I just don't like too much unfiltered oil going through my engine. -especially on engine start-up, when the majority of engine wear occurs.)

I believe a vast majority of oil bypasses the filter on every cold start. (it's a very basic fluid dynamics issue. Cold "viscous" oil simply cannot flow through the filter media fast enough to supply the engine with the required flow rate. That is a very important function of the designed-in bypass circuit.

Yes, I realize that as soon as the oil warms up, then all of the oil (full flow) goes through the filter. My whole point in using the taller filter is that it allows more of the oil to be filtered all of the time. (it's a matter of having nearly twice as much media surface area through which to pass the viscous oil, thus nearly doubling the volume of "filtered" oil initially available).

The small filter is certainly "adequate" as it relates to "contamination holding capacity."

Honestly, it may not be nearly as big a problem as I imagine, but I just "feel better" using the larger filter. I suspect I'll just have to "get over it."

As for the protec 166, I don't seem to find that number anywhere. What brand is it?

Thanks to everyone. -more responses welcomed !!

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03-22-10 07:36 PM - Post#1884997
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A larger filter will still have the same sized inputs and outputs, so it wont flow any more oil than a small one. It just has more capacity which isn't really necessary as these newer engines don't have much contaminants getting into the oil. If anything a smaller filter will allow more oil through as there is less media to travel through.

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03-22-10 09:52 PM - Post#1885074
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Josh, thanks again for your responses.

I believe there is absolutely no problem with the size of the "inputs and outputs." I'm sure the square area of those is much larger than either the pump delivery gallery and the bypass valve.

I maintain that the only real issue is trying to force the cold oil through the 20 micron media. That is where the real resistance is. Truly, it is a little known fact that almost all of the oil bypasses the filter on startup. (although that information is hard to find, I believe I discovered that right out of GM's engineering materials a long time ago.)

And the more surface area of media (not thickness) the more volume will be passed in any given amount of time.

Apart from all of the engineering details, I think a good "bottom line" is that no doubt the OEM has already taken all of this sort of thing into account, and has decided that the "7060" (pf-48) is adequate for the job.

Yes, isn't it GREAT that these new engines are SO MUCH cleaner than anything in the past. And honestly, of all the dozens of oil filters that I have cut apart over the years, none of them have ever had very much debris in them. -probably not even 1% of their potential holding capacity.

But, at least the "brain storming" is good mental exercise.

You know, it just occurred to me that I can contact a retired research engineer in Iowa, and have him read through this whole thread. It would be good to get his comments.

Anyway, I'd still like to find a taller filter.

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03-22-10 10:06 PM - Post#1885084
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I want a By-pass oil setup on my rig really bad. I seen oil with 17K on it with one of these Amsoil by-pass kits with Amsoil oil of course and I'm telling you the oil looked better than most conventional oil does after 500 miles.

http://www.amsoil.com/a/By-Pass-Filters-Mou nts

This is the way to go. Those by-filters are like 60k mile filters as well. You can't go wrong with Amsoil and with one of these you'll change your oil once a year. Talk about saving money and having the best oil in the world in your rig.

I had my tranny flushed with Amsoil recently and it looks like I'm getting 1.5-2 miles to the gallon better on the freeway just by having nothing but Amsoil tranny fluid in my tranny. Amazing...

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03-23-10 10:25 AM - Post#1885331
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"Newbie", IMO you are thinking in EXACTLY the right direction regarding a serious "bypass" filter system. It is really correct, on every level that I can think of. Years ago, I began adding the "Harvard Corp" bypass systems on all of our vehicles. -although I "got lazy" and haven't done it on what we own now. (I think Harvard specializes in what they call "constant contamination control." -of course, they specialize in all sorts of very specialized filtering systems. Maybe not so much in automotive, but I was introduced to them on coal mining equipment engines. -now there is a very dirty environment, and the company I was familiar with found that their huge engines were running at least 2 to 3 times longer between overhauls, which needless to say, is saving them TONS of money.

Although I know nothing specifically about the Amsoil system, I'll bet you'll have good results with it. I would ask them a couple of questions. One is "does their system filter out water?" (condensation). In an internal combustion engine crankcase, water combines with the sulfur byproducts making sulfuric acid, which "etches" metals, -like engine bearings, crankshaft, camshaft, etc. I would also find out what "micron rating" their system has. To be an excellent system, I believe it should be down near the 3 micron level. I believe it was s study done by Harvard (and maybe IHC?) found that some engine wear (camshaft, and lifters in particular) still occurred until about the 4 to 5 micron level. Down to 2 or 3, all measurable engine wear stopped.

Please let us know what you find out.

Thanks !!

By the way, here is something I found VERY interesting: A good friend of mine was a maintenance foreman for Burlington Northern railroad. He shared some interesting facts regarding their locomotive engines. They had literally hundreds of engines out there, over 20 years old, still running good as new, and NEVER HAD OIL CHANGES !! There engine oil service procedure was to change out the (huge) oil filters on a strict schedule, and simply adding the amount of oil that went out with the filters. Those filters were strictly of the "bypass" design, called "sock" type cartridge filters.

I found that totally interesting,,,

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03-23-10 11:37 AM - Post#1885374
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.. if you can't find a taller or larger filter for your engine and you are still concerned about by-pass on cold start-ups, then perhaps using a lighter viscosity synthetic oil might reduce some of your concern... use 5W30 or even 0W30 synthetic.

.. but maybe you do already ...

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03-23-10 06:29 PM - Post#1885623
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Good idea too !!

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03-24-10 05:31 AM - Post#1885861
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98.7% at 2 microns baby, check it out.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eabp.aspx

Not sure about the water thing. I'll ask my Amsoil dealer. All I know is my mouth dropped when I seen that 17K mile oil and how good it looked.

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03-24-10 08:45 AM - Post#1885956
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Excellent !! And thanks for the link.
I'm betting your going to love that system. I think my neighbor across the street here may be an Amsoil dealer, -I shall have to ask him.

BTW, what little time I spent looking around on that site, it looks like their technical documentation is excellent. IMO I like to see a company that makes the extra effort to make a good image.

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03-24-10 10:54 AM - Post#1886015
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Speaking of bigger filters, back years ago I used to use a truck filter, I think it was a PF-35 that was the long filter, on my 454 Corvette. It held about twice as much oil as the car model filter did.

Hadn't thought of that in years. Oh well there was an old brain cell that made it through the beer wars. I thought they all died back in '69.

Let's go Brandon!

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04-27-10 07:22 PM - Post#1905997
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I just picked up a new Wix filter #51522 that's for my 2001 5.3L engine. It measures out to 4.5" just like you want. Hope it works for you.

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04-27-10 09:24 PM - Post#1906079
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Thanks for your reply. Yes, I've used that 51522 on 2002 GMC 5.3 for years.

Sorry for the confusion, but our real problem arose when trying to find the same size (physical size) filter for my son's 2007 Silverado.

I apparently was mistaken on when GM made the change on the filter thread size. I thought they changed in 2005, but it must have been 2007.

So, now, if I have the numbers correct, the 13/16-16 thread was used through 2006. In 2007 they changed to a metric 22 x 1.5mm. Anyway, I'd like to find the 4.5" tall (or similar) filter with the 22mm x 1.5mm thread.

At this point, I think I'll give up. If we make any changes, it may be to add the Amsoil (or similar) bypass system, thus doing something far more worth while.

Thanks again for your reply.
And Thanks to everyone for all the replies !!

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04-28-10 06:00 AM - Post#1906202
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Correction, you mean the 2007.5 year model, AKA the NBS 2007 is when the oil filter thread size changed.

Not the 2007 "Classic", OBS.

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04-28-10 07:01 AM - Post#1906239
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Yup ! You got it.

Thanks for the correction.

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Is an oversized oil filter better?

A larger, smaller, or otherwise differant oil filter will offer no real benefits or gains. It will not prolong oil changes, it will not make the car go faster or use less fuel. But it will open the prospect of a failure into your cars lubrication system, how ever unlikely.

What kind of oil does a 5.3 L Chevy take?

The 4.3-liter V6 engine on this year's Silverado uses SAE 5W-30 viscosity grade motor oil. If your 2022 Silverado is powered by a 5.3-liter V8 engine, it's important to use SAE 0W-20 viscosity grade motor oil.

How many quarts of oil does 5.3 V8 take?

Engine Oil With filter 8 quarts. After refill check oil level.

How many quarts does a 5.3 Vortec engine take?

You may have already heard that the 5.3L (Vortec 5300) is an oil guzzler. But, how many quarts of oil does this engine take? Generally, the Chevy/GMC 5.3 engine uses either 6 quarts or 8 quarts of oil, depending on the specific engine variant and vehicle model year.